I have ask God many times if it is the truth and all I hear is I love youu unconditionally so now when I start thinking old religious ways I meditate John 3:16. Sir, even though I hardly comment, I’m addicted to your blog– E2R and I’m blessed by it. I choose to believe in the finished work of the cross. thanks for the clarity. Choose. is a reason why the saints should glorify God, as these words . unworthy of everlasting life: and what shall the end of such be? Westcott & Hort GNT - Literal Translation Greek & English 1 Peter 4 > > Interlinear []. I didn’t wake up one day and say “Hell sucks! Btw, i am so grateful for your help. This helps. I don’t believe in it anymore!” One day the word Hell kept popping up into my mind over and over. Why are you so concerned about them what about Moses , what about Elijah, what about Enoch. The parable does not prove eternal hell. It seems you are prepared to risk much on an uncertainty. Peter says four things: (1) Don’t be surprised that you are suffering for the gospel (4:12). Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. 2: “Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the Name that is above every name, that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (the Greek word here can mean ‘subterranean; infernal, belonging to the world of departed souls), and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” This could mean that eventually EVERY soul will realize who Christ is – unless this verse means that God is forcing some to kneel against their will – which I know you cannot abide the thought of (and neither can I.) of God On the other hand they believe that IF faith is required in order to be saved, then God will give us that faith, no… force that faith onto us. You build foolishly if you ignore the words of Jesus. v.16. Look I believed in Hell for most of my life. When Jesus returns in glory he will not judge anyone. Those adulterers, liars, etc. ‘Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles [like Lazarus-Eleazar]; how much more their fullness’ (verse 12).”. You seem to be reading more into it than what is present. Great stuff again. We are exhorted to preach the message of reconciliation. The judgment of God exercised in suffering, 1 Peter 4:17-18 5. Certainly glad to be a sheep . How to share E2R, Copyright © 2021 Peter knew from personal experience what it was like to run from Jesus and he didn’t want his readers doing that. A Living Hope But ALL des not mean ALL whether they believe,recieve or not. You say it wasn’t fair that we weren’t involved in Adam’s choice. Look at how Peter describes this judgment: v.12: “the fiery suffering among you that is coming to try you” Not on purpose I’m sure. That one verse is clear as day don’t know what else I can write. I’ve seen it and it doesn’t glorify God at all. You also need to do some pretty good gymnastics with certain scriptures to make them “fit” with this view.” like the belief in eternal damnation is far from the truth. Christ universal victory is freely available to all, but they have to accept and embrace it. 4 Since Christ suffered in the flesh,+ you too arm yourselves with the same mental disposition;* because the person who has suffered in the flesh has desisted from sins,+ 2 so that he may live the remainder of his time in the flesh, no more for the desires of men,+ but for God’s will.+ 3 For the time that has passed … If my sins have been removed and God is now “done with sin” (1 Pet 4:1), then what is left to punish? Good Stewards of God’s Grace. Interpret 1 Peter 4:17 through the lens of works and you will end up with a condemning message. It’s finished! I choose to believe that what Jesus did was a perfect work that cannot be added to or improved upon. Hi Paul, I’m so glad you posted this article….thank you! You cannot have it both ways. which is frequently called the house of God, because it is of his Luke 16:19-31 clearly defines the reality of Hell. Because we inherited a nature that wasn’t of our doing. I know I’m late to the party here, but I had two thoughts I wanted to share: It certainly cannot be a good judgement or reward! That’s quite an oversight! What makes you stumble is your choice, the exercise of your will, to act in a way not in alignment with Christ. the sin of such who despise and reject it, as did the unbelieving A universalist might say that God will one day reconcile the world to Himself, but Romans 5:10 and 2 Cor 5 tell us that God has already done that through Christ. But you’ve still got to get up an walk out. Been to Pentecostal, Baptist, Charismatic, non-denom etc. You may also be interested to learn that I am writing a grace-based book on Jesus’ letters to the Revelation Churches. There’s no way around it. When God gave us the freedom to choose, He knew that some would choose to reject Him and that death and eternal separation would be the result. Why didn’t God just punish Adam and Eve and let his offspring be free to make a choice as well? Of course they won’t come right out and say it. It refers to a rich man and a beggar, that’ it. God knew what was going to happen and that is why Christ was ready to go even before the foundation of this world. I agree that hell is not part of the gospel. Romans 5:18 only means that it is available for all people, not that all people will receive what’s available. The exhortation to Christian sufferers, 1 Peter 4:19 E. The appeals to the church in view of Christian suffering, 1 Peter 5:1-11 1. But the Bible teaches clearly that God will not violate His own nature by withdrawing His good gifts. I could be wrong. God did not create puppets, he created mankind with a free will and said “You rule the earth” (Gen 1:28). Not at all. Again great site! that’s good news. There are numerous other verses supporting it as well. either us Jews, for Peter, and those he writes to, were such; or Our approaching end, is a powerful argument to make us sober in all worldly … Learning about God’s Grace is liberating. of his vengeance, when they have filled up the measure of their Impossible! Lou, I’ve had endless discussions with universalists over the past few months (sorry for putting you in a “box” brother ), but it appears to me that only those who grew up alongside other people who hold the universalist view, also hold to it. So the argument that God will force salvation onto everybody does not hold water – if God’s grace will override mankind’s rebellion in the spiritual dimension, why doesn’t He step in right now and put an end to all the suffering in the natural realm as well? First let me address Brandon. I suggest you will find a more engaging audience on this recent post over on New Covenant Grace. But you then argue that we have no choice now – all will be saved. What you say about 1 Peter 4:17 makes sense, but then how do we interpret the next verse? “If it is with difficulty the righteous are saved….” I don’t understand how or why we believers (the righteous) are saved with difficulty. If a Christian could do whatever he wanted we would not be constantly told in the Bible to stay away from all the Earthly things. God did not force Adam and Eve to love Him; He let them choose. How do you read this? Hi Dr. Paul, thanks for the direction. Everything here is free thanks to the generosity of supporters on Patreon (USD) or Donorbox (other currencies). But I could not dismiss the many great times me and God had in His Word. It is in the queue to be published probably next week. 1Pe 4:19 The apostle Paul makes very clear in numerous verses that not all will receive what is available to them. Of the two possible errors, the one you risk is infinitely riskier. He even had to to tell His own disciples what they meant because they themselves weren’t sure. preaching it, and succeeds the ministry of it; and it being his of which God is the author, and which contains things relating to Oh well I tried. I love the idea of nobody being lost – I really do – after all, it’s God’s will that none should perish. Learn how your comment data is processed. resemble these, and serve to illustrate them. Parables are to be read with the Spirit. And I can even boast because the bible isn’t primarily concerned with our sin, though we must be against it, but with getting what Jesus paid for – a relationship with Abba Father. Some people seem to take perverse delight in threatening others with the sword of God’s judgment. Rms 5:18 “justification that brings life to all men” sounds like “grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men” (Tit 2:11). ”. It’s a gift that needs to be received. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. which he beautifies, fills, repairs, and defends; and so may It was more in-depth about what I was saying; I don’t know why it didn’t come up. The writer of Hebrews talks about how Israel heard the gospel, but rejected it – they didn’t mix it with faith: Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. I’m pretty sure I love my bible and I believe the scriptures you quoted are misunderstood by you and many other universalist. All His parables had great meaning and symbolism. Thank you so very much. God is addressing this as a comforting message to the saints at all times. phrases, and frequent expressions in their writings, which There is none of this Jesus died for only some kinds of sin. I also came close to believing the bible is ,”just a book” which ade believing this doctrine super appealing and easy to embrace. Why put His Son through all the anguish of dying on a cross if He was going to save everybody in any case? ( Log Out /  world to come, which will have no end: and if [it] first begin at us; I contest that the “goats” are man’s Adamic nature. It’s free! Reading the article and many reports I take it all this is what people think, what people think is not necessarily what god is saying. But the only trouble is where I live. ___________. Either the cross is the once and final solution for sin (Heb 9:26), or it isn’t. An example is take the two instances where Jesus spoke of people who had great faith. No, because your sins were covered and paid for by the blood of Christ. The Hyper-Grace Gospel My fraudulence has finally be exposed. It is that His sheep help where help is needed not just where they think it is justified and they do so because of the effect of grace on them.The wording implies that the goats consider these people the least showing again that they do not exhibit Grace. Hi Kavin, thanks for your comment. Can I ask you about sheep and goats. Thanks. So what is Peter talking about when he says it’s time for judgment to begin with the house of God? Sorry that comment above was super long; my bad. We are. “I wish that what you said is true, that God will save all.” You mean to tell me that my view of the Gospel is greater than God’s? Yes. In the original Greek this word is krima which means decision or decree. Because of Nero Christians were being tortured and killed for their faith in Christ. You can find an article on that scripture in the Archives>Scripture Index. God? Regardless, Peter said its Gods will that no one perish but change thier mind (non Christians) look away from themselves and believe (1 Pet 4:17 AMP, 2 Pet 3:9, Acts 18:30-31). What do you make of some of the things Jesus talks about in Revelation 2-3 to New Testament Churches living in the New Covenant? For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God By the house of God is either meant the temple at Jerusalem, which is often so called, because it was built for God, and where were the symbol of his presence, and his worship; and now the time was come, or at hand, that God would begin at his … Why? I think there are some events in the bible we just don’t understand yet because we refuse to fully embrace ideas that we do not want to agree with. I personally wonder if the inextinguishable fires of hell are reserved for Satan and the fallen angels who tormented, deceived, etc. It’s not in His nature. The universalist view negates any faith response from a believer and rejects any form of responsibility. (, California - Do Not Sell My Personal Information. Love your judge picture Paul.I was channel surfing and saw a particular preacher talking about the churches with this same look last night.My thought was wow that look will draw people.Very scarey.I am going to take more time looking at your articles on the churches in Revelation.Again thanks for your teachings.You do realized we have to “change” our whole way of thinking on these matters if we look at it differently than what we have been taught.One part says wow this is out there.The other parts says Has the church been wrong all these years.How could the Holy Spirit let that happen since Jesus is the head of the church? The Gospel in Twenty Questions Just ‘cuz it says Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world doesn’t mean because God knew he would sin. The good news of God’s grace will not be heard unless those who preach it are bold. For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, … (all the atrocities that our Father never meant for us to experience) God’s beloved children for thousands of years. Would you please respond. If God were somehow going to save everybody, why didn’t He just plainly state it? Why put His Son through all the anguish of dying on a cross if He was going to save everybody in any case? If someone gives you a gift for your birthday, you have to receive it to make it your own – or like the universalist, you can leave the person standing knocking at the door with the gift in his hand without actually taking it from him, but think he will someday hunt you down and force you to take it . 1 Peter 4:18 - And if it is with difficulty that the righteous is saved , what will become of the godless man and the sinner ? In the rush of the past few years I felt I was still dealing with this beast. You’re right it isn’t part of the Gospel. Those who are in Christ are complete (Col 2:10) and perfect forever (He 10:14). 5:15 so as to live for # ch. and profess his name: what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel of He wants to go into all of the world to announce the Good News! Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats, Every single one of us responds to Jesus one way or another, Become an Escape to Reality subscriber today, Why the Woman of Proverbs 31 may not be your Ideal Wife, Last chance to get your name in Paul’s book, First look at Paul’s new book (and how to get your name in it! said, "the time" is come, or at hand, it may be observed, that as 1 Peter 2:1-17. Awesome article (as usual)! God would never knowingly put this entire world in the chaos it is in. I propose that God never stops loving any of us (believer or unbeliever), even after death. They chose poorly. design believers in Christ, those that are of the household and You are attempting to make an assertation based on what is not there. I always consult e2r when it comes to difficult scriptures. Indeed Paul never mentions it.” That’s one HUGE thing to leave out don’t you think? I notice you don’t have any comments on Hebrews 13:4 in your scripture archive, and wondered which conclusion you come to about this verse? With all of the Law, Prophets and even the raising of the dead they still didn’t believe. Why would we need to be in our mortal bodies in order for God to pursue us or for us to respond to His love, to Christ? All rights reserved worldwide. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. So even though sometimes the sheep dont act how God would want this action is not the determining factor- how could it be as no one other than Jesus has always done the right thing. Grace and peace. Biblical Commentary (Bible Study) 1 Peter 1:17-23 EXEGESIS: THE CONTEXT: • Verses 1-2 open by identifying the author as “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ”—and the recipients as “the chosen ones who are living as foreigners (exiles) in the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia” (all located in … Not everyone who professes to believe is saved, and I do see this being dealt with in this context. Thank you for putting it in words that I could understand. Quite possibly because we still are not totally seeing things from God’s perspective so we just try and surmise what happened to justify our limited understanding. The “self” we’re told to deny is our nature we inherited from Adam’s fall. Think of this: a child that dies prematurely – that child’s parents will continue to love them passionately loooong after that child has departed from their human body. I hold to the latter more now than before, seems tom make more sense to me in light of Jesus’ finished work. For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. Peter was the son of Jonas (Matt. Diane. Many are still part of the original sin but still have life. Love will not take hostages. For it is time for judgment to begin with the house of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? You must choose. 1 Peter 4:17 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 1 Peter 4:17, NIV: "For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" As I already said, the parable is not the only part of Scripture that supports the existence of Hell. Been reading the comments. Also in my studies of what,” all knowing’ means it never means God knew every move every man would ever make before he made it. Hey Paul, this has been one of my favorite posts of yours (a solid third to your series on Inclusionism and the other on hell), but I wonder if you still hold to the idea of original sin in light of what i’ve read of your stuff lately? The Jews have various A reader asked me about this several weeks ago and I have now have post on this very topic primed to go. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Not saying that is the case in your life, but the Word is very clear about a need for surrender on our part. The other word Peter uses to describe our sufferings is "trial" (NIV, KJV) or "ordeal" (NRSV). Biblical Commentary (Bible Study) 1 Peter 4:12-16 EXEGESIS: THE CONTEXT: Recipients of this letter are experiencing trials, harsh treatment, and suffering (1:6-7; 2:18-20; 3:13-17; 4:1-4, 12-19; 5:10). If God loses just one to hellfire or whatever than Satan and Adam did a greater work than Christ. ( Log Out /  Probably because the place is remote or because French language dominates. Sadly, some won’t. (1 Pet 4:12-19). ( Log Out /  If an earthly father knows how to give good gifts to his children how much more your Father in Heaven? imply, being introduced with the causal particle, "for"; that The Grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, but not all men will put their faith in him. Story of ananias and sapphira really bothers me. When Peter says it’s judgment time for the church, he is most likely referring to the judgment of Nero against the Christians. Repent more and confess more. Also God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, NOW be ye reconciled to Him. their nation, city, and temple; and in the world to come In light of this awful persecution, Peter wrote to bring perspective. How can one be fair and the other not? That parable is also just one of many many verses referring to Hell (regardless of root words) and the concept of an eternal separation from God for those who persisted in their unbelief. I choose to believe the cross was a finished work also. If we lived up to the same standard as the Early Church how much greater would our lives and those who are lost lives be? People would tell me this , but I could not wrap my head around it. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the thanks to you and thanks to Christians everywhere who count me their brother. The whole message of the Bible reveals salvation dependent on repentance and faith. The action or inaction is irrelevant.It is the reason we do that indicates the presence of a RELATIONSHIP with God which supplies the power to act as sheep do. Similarly, you cannot claim that Christ saved you while preaching “pagan doctrines” about hell. Not everyone sees Jesus as Lord; one day they will. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 1) John 9:39 “for judgment I came into the world…’ Don’t you think Jesus could have essentially been saying that His mission in coming to earth was to RECEIVE judgement – namely the judgement due the human race? Above each Greek word there is a transliteration which helps people to pronounce the word, and linked to each transliterated word there is a page which gives a list of other places where the same word is used in the bible, together with translations from NAS, KJV, and the Interlinear Bible. (scriptures in parenthesis). with him; and which he commits to men, and qualifies them for (1 Peter 4:17 ESV) The Greek word translated as judgment is "krima," which means a decision or a verdict was made and is not the act of judging. them, but they disbelieved the doctrines of it, and submitted not Thanks so much for reply. the Jewish people, as a whole, rejected it. Jewish culture was well known for making an exaggeration to highlight or draw attention to a truth. Satan has been defeated and the prison walls are down. I admit my thinking was this refers to judgment in terms of condemnation and damnation, etc. Smyrna and Pergamum will have to wait. I like this. Paul you do a great job that is very encouraging for me to shift into total grace! 6:13] arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for # Rom. And the speedy approach of death and judgment concerns all, to which these words naturally lead our minds. The key to understanding 1 Peter 4:17 is the word judgment. Nobody is disregarding the root word. HI Paul love your article, my question might be abit way off your topic here but would love to hear what you understanding in this Gal 1:8&9 that Paul preached “but even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” And then he repeated again on verse 9 about preaching any other gospel that they will be accursed. they have their sufferings now, and not with the wicked in the 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance. We have been forgiven.” I don’t consider myself a “universalist” but the above quote from your reply backs up what I believe. and stead of his church and people, and therefore in justice In the beginning, the New Testament church only had to worry about persecution from religious folk. Given the context – state-sponsored terrorism of Christians and the very real threat of persecution unto death – I think Peter is encouraging the saints. But God’s gifts are greater, right? The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men but unless you receive it by faith it will be of no effect to you. 4. to its ordinances, and rejected Christ, the Saviour, the sum and Hi Lou, I write this as I would write to a friend talking about deep and heavy matters. I have answered from the NKJ bible from others , other conclusions will be made. You raise some interesting points. Whether it is Ananias and Sapphira, King Herod, or even when Paul commanding blindness in Bar-jesus. 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